These guys are monsters!

[shiftylarry]

MuffDaddy2, Kaffir2, and DancesWithSavs are absolute monsters. The worst kind of scum. They have horrible ways of dealing with their animals. Muffdaddy keeps 3 adult savannah monitors in a 75 gallon cage. APPALLING! How he justifies that I have no idea. Dances with savs uses torture tactics with his monitors to "punish" them for bad behavior. This includes holding them under water if they misbehave.

In this video, MuffDaddy disses my good friend Scott, who is incredibly knowledgeable and has been working with reptiles for decades <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWuFdh9ISTA&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWuFdh9I ... re=related</a><!-- m -->.
I love how he says that Komodo dragons are the closest relatives to dinosaurs. Uh, isn't it birds dude? I love how he just says whatever he wants we a sense of authority. What a fool.

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Just in case you wanted to hear more BS, here ya go!
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Yes, that's a milk snake, ball pythons, bearded dragon, and savannah monitor all together! AND LOOK AT THE BATH TUB!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! IDIOTS!!!! For the record, savannahs don't bathe in the wild. That's why they inflate or try to climb on top of each other. (Banging head on desk, banging head on desk)

It's important to realize that these animals are mostly tame because of bad care, if you gave me one of these animals and let me set them up properly with a big cage, proper diet, and hot lights, in a few weeks, you'd have a vibrant animal that wouldn't just lie on your shoulder. A healthy monitor is inquisitive and constantly mobile. If they just lie in your lap, something's seriously wrong.

Here's a video of someone who keeps their savannah in a dog kennel and feeds them dog food <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPY2xQ3D0yM&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPY2xQ3D ... re=related</a><!-- m --> These are not dogs, they should not be treated as such. Dog food will lead to liver failure and the cage that savannah is in holds no humidity. In all likelihood he will not live past his fifth birthday, when he is capable of reaching 15 or more.

Here's a video of Kaffir2 letting a little girl next to an unsupervised Savannah <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1RopAdoG98&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1RopAdo ... re=related</a><!-- m -->. Ask my friend Roger about the "tame" 3 foot black throat that latched on to and broke his thumb. These animals have strong jaws made for crushing big land snails. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THEM! Otherwise you're asking to get hurt. I have a scar on my hand from a tiny baby peach throat. I wasn't on my game, and I got what I deserved. It was one of the most painful experiences I can recall.

Oh, you thought that was bad, look at this!
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Take a look at this video. The savannah obviously has skin issues from bad husbandry and just lies there looking almost dead.
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Now compare: Here's an example of an argus monitor displaying a defensive pose. It may not be the cuddly lizard you wanted, but healthy monitors are naturally wary of humans. For a keeper, this is a good thing.
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Here's another feeding vid from Shay. Let's see Kaffir's kids feed this guy food out of their hands. LOL!
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I really could go on forever, but I had to make my point. The sad fact, is that these dirt bags have a huge cult following on youtube. I love monitors and it's disgusting to seem them demeaned in this manor. Be careful, there is so much bad information out there. These guys don't care about what the animal needs, they just want to make things easier for themselves.

Remember, a savannah monitor may only cost you 25-50 bucks, but the cage will cost upwards of 500 if you set it up properly. Please, reconsider your future large monitor purchase. If you want a good starter, try ackies monitors. They are all captive bred, so you don't have to destroy natural populations, they stay small, and they are the most tolerant monitor when it comes to handling.

And, when you're looking on Kingsnake, remember that looks can be deceiving.
Here's my "tame" roughneck:

Just kidding, seconds ago he was whipping and defecating. I just caught him at the right moment.

Well, that's today's rant.

Thanks for stopping by!

-Chris

 

[ColdThirst]

Muffdaddy scares me first of all and second if your trying to watch reptile videos you will have to click on one of his almost every other time because he has damn over a hundred on there and is video spamming the site. So naturally people looking on youtube for answers to their reptile questions for some reason think hes some kind of expert because of all the animals he has when hes really not. And also some of the questions and responses that he has been given are horrifying to say the least, like my lizard is in a ten gallon eating cat food what would be the best heat rock for me to buy for it when I leave for 2 weeks on vacation? They eat the same as a snake right? I mean it is insaine and then their like your my hero. People should have to take an I.Q. test before they are allowed to own animals. I don't click on any of his videos anymore.

 

[Harveysherps]

I have to agree. Those people are ignorant. Dances with Savs got banned from this site cause they . Tried to trash me. I thought it was funny when Bobby busted them. I see other forums begging for them to be banned. Alteast Bob handled things right off the bat.

 

[AB^]

Dances feeds off any publicity he can get whether positive or negative, I have been dealing with him on numerous sites and chats for a long time now. Frankly he feeds off it and threads like this only further his name getting out there to people who havent heard of him. I dont like him nor agree with his methods, nor do I approve of threads that give him any recognition(good or bad) which this thread is doing.

I have already stopped a previous thread on this site that was an open slamming of him from the simple point that he thrives on the attention. I dont like to nor want to close any threads but I ask you all not to give this dirtbag any recognition,attention or fuel by responding any further. Nothing bothers him more than being ignored and not being a topic of conversation.

 

[shiftylarry]

I hear what you're saying, but people new to the hobby have to know who these people are.

 

[AB^]

I agree, but this has the potential to become nothing more than a Bash-A-thon on Dances (Which those of you who know me from other forums know I am not opposed to bashing people ) But I am a moderator here and this forum is not for bashing people. So if we can keep a civil mature conversation about this it can slide as far as I'm concerned but if it gets out of hand .........

 

[shiftylarry]

Fair point. Let's keep the focus on the actions of these people and what is incorrect about their husbandry as opposed to the people themselves.

 

[Lexi]

Was he feeding his monitor dog food?

 

[shiftylarry]

One of the videos shows his monitor in a dog cage, eating dog food. As far as we know, varanus olivaceus is the only omnivorous monitor. All the rest are strictly carnivorous. Their bodies cannot handle the glutens and plant matter that is in dog food to bind it and bulk up the quantity of the product. His monitor will not live long.

Muffdaddy is feeding dog food in the first video. That's probably one of the reasons the monitors are so calm. He talks about savs being aggressive towards other savs as being a myth, but he has a bad diet for them and a 75 gallon tank for 3 large monitors.

Lexi: Did you check out the video where he throws the ball pythons, milk snakes, and monitors in the bath together?

 

[Lexi]

At first i thought he was gonna eat the sav. LOL
I would never put my ball pythons with my tegus. That guy is crazy!! What is wrong with people?

 

[shiftylarry]

As he said "Scott was right about one thing, monitors are from the old world, but that doesn't mean they can't learn new tricks"

I cried and laughed at the same time.

 

[Lexi]

i dont know much about savs. But atleast i know you shouldnt feed a reptile dog food. And to keep a sav in a dog crate? theres no way in hell the poor sav had the right temps or humidity!

 

[Harveysherps]

I have to say AB is right about this subject. If we keeping talking about him and hitting his videos. We're just fueling the flames. Enough people see that and they will associate us all as that way. Doesn't matter if we disagree with it or not. Look how the reptile hobby and trade are going now. Proposed banns on snakes and such. We need to be boycotting sites that allow such junk . I've posted video of me handfeeding Burmese pythons. But now I wish I hadn't cause just because I got the nerve to do it doesn't mean everyone should try it. You Tube is a joke. And nothing but trouble . Mark my words. peole like them are going to be the down fall of us all. I realize this now. That's why I'm changing my ways.

 

[hoosier]

sorry posted this by accident.

 

[hoosier]

i just wasnt happy and agree with what you all said. he also contridicts himself in his comments. he says in the video that monitors just have dirty mouths and then agrees on the results that Dr.fry found when he found that monitors have a a venom delevery system also like heloderms.

 

[hoosier]

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here is another one of his where he is talking about venomous bites. his reason behind why we bleed is amusing.

 

[VARNYARD]

I could not watch all of the videos they just turn my stomach. He was banned here under the name 800lbGorilla; does he really need to ask why? So he is still saving them from drowning to build trust with them. A very sick person, and to cohabitate different species is just sick as well. He changes user names so he can slide into forums without people knowing who he really is.

As for the dog food, you think that might of had something to do with his monitors loosing all their teeth, and dying?

I am sorry, but this guy has no business owning any pets at all, I also think he needs to take a trip to a shrink, his mind is not close to being right.

 

[hoosier]

im with you bobby. :lymo
the guy is :blblbl :crazy :drool

 

[VARNYARD]

As for bashing him, he needs bashing, and he is not a member here now, nor will he ever be again.

 

[hoosier]

man, now i wish i kept my long rants posted but i erased them so i wouldnt get introuble for bashing... :cry: